tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post739094943102283570..comments2008-03-20T17:54:14.618-05:00Rolandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02669050528894458315noreply@blogger.comBlogger127125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-54263178422925033032008-03-20T17:54:00.000-05:002008-03-20T17:54:00.000-05:00"So should we be single and repopulate the earth?"<BR/><BR/>What, no comment from Wonder Woman yet? ;)Geppyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14771293730233732521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-45936264049261395732008-03-20T17:42:00.000-05:002008-03-20T17:42:00.000-05:00Eaglewood,<BR/>Now that you mention it, it might be a parody site.<BR/>I am overly gullible. Believed in Santa until I was 9. Folks had to tell me that they weren't being honest. *sigh* I love stories.<BR/><BR/>Inerrancy of scripture. I believe Jesus is perfect. I believe people aren't.<BR/>I believe God inspires things.<BR/>But that doesn't mean that He personally did them.<BR/>If there is any, and I mean any, being who tries to put down what God is trying to convey to us, there will be misunderstandings.<BR/>Errors come from people.<BR/><BR/>I would tend to think the scriptures are paradoxical.<BR/>For example: God says to go and populate the earth.<BR/>Paul says that he wishes everyone was like him. Single.<BR/>Paradox.<BR/>Both true.<BR/>Sure.<BR/>So should we be single and repopulate the earth?<BR/>Hmmm. Might require us to <I>draw some conclusions</I>.<BR/>We can't just look at scripture and say, "I can read it without any of my own thoughts entering into my interpretation."<BR/>If we do, then we are setting ourselves up as knowing God perfectly.<BR/>I know I ain't.<BR/>Therefore, we must realize that all of us err.<BR/>Sometimes we err more, sometimes less. But never are we perfect.<BR/><BR/>The Bible is a wonderful message from God to His creation that He loves and cares about us and won't abandon us.<BR/>I wouldn't want to live without it.<BR/>But it makes a terrible master.<BR/>God isn't just rules.<BR/>To put Him in a box like that is impossible.<BR/>(He doesn't fit) ;)Rolandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02669050528894458315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-75245828637561178592008-03-20T15:43:00.000-05:002008-03-20T15:43:00.000-05:00miket,<BR/><BR/>Thinking parts of Scripture are flat out lies is a lot different than what people have said here - and been called lost and doomed to hell for. I don't think it is something to focus on, because all thoughts change over time. What someone thinks now is not what they are bound to think later. If they are called of the LORD then they are his children. If they are not called it just doesn't matter for they are not his sheep. Arguing about it and calling people doomed is just silly.Geppyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14771293730233732521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-79951294095417930052008-03-20T15:35:00.000-05:002008-03-20T15:35:00.000-05:00And on a different note, at this rate, Roland is going to give Vox Day a run for his money on his ability to get his comment section filled up.MikeThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15138360416884607340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-36770831864048084362008-03-20T15:34:00.000-05:002008-03-20T15:34:00.000-05:00<EM><BR/>Timm, I can't speak for DP. But all I read him say is that inerrancy of Scripture is not required for salvation. I don't recall him saying what his belief on inerrancy is; only that it has nothing to do with salvation. Which is a true statement.<BR/></EM><BR/><BR/>You're right, it's not required. However, I have family members that claim to be Christian, but that don't believe that the Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit, which would make it inerrant insofar as translation permits.<BR/><BR/>Let me ask you this, do you believe that someone who thinks that there are parts of the Bible that are pure bovine excrement is really believing the Bible to be true?MikeThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15138360416884607340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-54940835823252857242008-03-20T15:13:00.000-05:002008-03-20T15:13:00.000-05:00Timm, I can't speak for DP. But all I read him say is that inerrancy of Scripture is not required for salvation. I don't recall him saying what his belief on inerrancy is; only that it has nothing to do with salvation. Which is a true statement.Geppyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14771293730233732521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-73907852765470337662008-03-20T13:56:00.000-05:002008-03-20T13:56:00.000-05:00DP,<BR/>I have to jump in on this one. I'm curious. If you don't believe the Bible to be completely true, then how can you trust the "Believe and be baptised" part?Timmhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02759512499765824995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-60545616302853168862008-03-20T13:46:00.000-05:002008-03-20T13:46:00.000-05:00I have just popped over to that site.<BR/><BR/>I am not an emergent. I am not really sure what one is, so maybe I am. I thought I was a Lutheran so who knows? What is the evangefundie thing with the emergents then, whoever they are?<BR/><BR/>I was saddened by the content of that blog. It falls into the category of the Biblically deluded. It preaches hate and intolerance in the guise of righteousness and Christian teaching and it has a decidedly unsavoury air of triumphalsim that is unseemly in one who claims Christ as Lord and Saviour.<BR/><BR/>I find it deeply sad that when there are so many unchurched out there people like this concentrate on other Christians. Sorry, that should, of course, have read "Christians" because those of us who have the temerity to disagree must therefore not be saved. <BR/><BR/>Preposterous. Only God can tell me that.<BR/><BR/>Why are some Christians so insecure that they gain their affirmation by questioning the spiritual credentials of others?<BR/><BR/>When, of course, you do the same, the blog bans come into force. "I will give you my opinion (ad nauseum) but I will not listen to yours. I (and those like me) am right"<BR/><BR/>Newsflash: The Bible was created for man and not man for the Bible. I am not in the slightest bit interested in Biblolatry.<BR/><BR/>I asked before and no-one answered: Where does Jesus say that what we believe about the Bible is determinative of salvation?<BR/><BR/>He doesn't because it isn't. Stop all this "you must believe in the inerrancy of scripture twaddle". That comes from man not God.<BR/><BR/>Do not waste your time sending me a million proof texts about scripture: the only one I want to see is the one where Jesus says: Believe and be baptised...Oh and yes, believe absolutely every little word in the Bible as 100% God's inspired word."<BR/><BR/>I won't hold my breath.<BR/><BR/>Combatant, Me?Doorman-Priesthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06407399232593479871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-76678265722349365452008-03-20T13:03:00.000-05:002008-03-20T13:03:00.000-05:00Linda,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for clarifying that your intentions are honest.<BR/><BR/>To try to continue with the train of thought. Scriptures state very clearly in John 3:16 that God loved the entire world - and anyone in the world who would believe on him would be saved. Plus there are other references to "God is love." So if we believe the Scriptures we have to accept what it says - that God loves all of his creation.<BR/><BR/>But God is also just. Not everyone will accept the atoning sacrifice and God must give them the "reward" that is just for their state without the atoning sacrifice. Therefore, God ignores his love for his errant child and gives the punishment that is just for the actions of the child. The only reason we do not receive the punishment that we justly deserve is because our sins are covered by the blood of Jesus.<BR/><BR/>So, there is a difference between love and justice.<BR/><BR/>Eagle,<BR/><BR/>Yes that site is a bad one. One poster from that site had their comments deleted last night due to the hateful/spiteful nature of them. Seymore has not been quite as hateful as his "friend."Geppyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14771293730233732521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-52080505886587682752008-03-20T12:33:00.000-05:002008-03-20T12:33:00.000-05:00And I thought Roland was funny. This guy takes the cake. If his blog is not a parody blog along with his comments He is in need of some serious help.eaglewoodhttp://eaglewoodsnest.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-5790764012401014242008-03-20T12:04:00.000-05:002008-03-20T12:04:00.000-05:00Linda, you keep preaching and showing the TRUTH to those unbelievers. It sounds like you and I will be the only ones saved on the day of redemption. Keep up the good innerrant, fundamentalist line! God will reward you for you insistence on Wrath.Seymorehttp://itodyaso.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-47071761711120925752008-03-20T10:58:00.000-05:002008-03-20T10:58:00.000-05:00geppy - I am not trying to condemn you just trying to understand how you can say Christ died for ALL people. Does that really make sense if we know not all people will be saved?<BR/>Your saying God loves everybody the same and Christ died for everybody is not logical or Biblical.Lindanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-73186560720842486442008-03-20T10:46:00.000-05:002008-03-20T10:46:00.000-05:00<EM><BR/>And that is a problem all of us need to be wary of.<BR/>Can you see how your response fits into what you say as well?<BR/>Or do you have the whole truth?<BR/></EM><BR/><BR/>Of course I don't have the whole truth. Having the whole truth is not the point. It's which parts of it do you have that are sufficient. If you have the basics on what is required of you as a Christian down, everything else is secondary. That is where everyone else gets into trouble. Whatever truth they have, it's off in left field compared to what matters.<BR/><BR/><EM><BR/>I can see your point. But what if God actually sope directly to you and said that He saved some of them?<BR/>Would you believe it then?<BR/>Then look at Peter in Acts right before he went to talk to Cornelius the centurion, and tell me if you see any parallels.<BR/></EM><BR/><BR/>You missed the point, I think. Cornelius died a follower of Jesus Christ.<BR/><BR/>A professing or cultural non-Christian is not going to be like Cornelius, as they will die on the wrong path.MikeThttp://www.codemonkeyramblings.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-31934455952885741202008-03-20T10:31:00.000-05:002008-03-20T10:31:00.000-05:00Linda,<BR/><BR/>My first question is: are you truly interested in my thoughts or are you still trying to condemn me?<BR/><BR/>That said I'll assume you are interested and thus will respond. Did I say whose choice? On my blog I have clearly stated that in my opinion the choice is the LORD's and when we believe and repent it is because we have reached the time of our calling.Geppyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14771293730233732521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-60038969738100813962008-03-20T10:01:00.000-05:002008-03-20T10:01:00.000-05:00geppy - what do you do with John 10:26 where Jesus says "but you do not believe because you are not my sheep."?<BR/>You said "Choice, belief and repentance mean salvation is granted." The Bible says that repentance and faith is granted by God. There is no such thing as everybody having a "choice" to repent and believe in Jesus.Lindanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-36763167318081784292008-03-20T03:09:00.000-05:002008-03-20T03:09:00.000-05:00Seymour, Bless you Brother.<BR/><BR/>This particular unsaved heretic wonders exactly where Jesus tells us that what we believe about scripture is determinative of salvation.<BR/><BR/>BTW: when you climb into the lifeboat, you may be surprised to find you are not the only one in it.Doorman-Priesthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06407399232593479871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-77963434551466385262008-03-19T23:37:00.000-05:002008-03-19T23:37:00.000-05:00Just a thought regarding John 3:16. It says that God loved the entire world that he sent his only son to die (and resurrect) so we may all live. It is good to know that God loves everyone. But it is also correct to say that not all will be saved. But for those unsaved, does that mean God loves them any less? No, for God is love. Love does not mean salvation is granted. Choice, belief and repentance mean salvation is granted. We seem to be having a little bit of a hard time differentiating between salvation and basically everything else.<BR/><BR/>Just a thought.Geppyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14771293730233732521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-65037497166271479662008-03-19T23:32:00.000-05:002008-03-19T23:32:00.000-05:00John 3:16.Rolandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02669050528894458315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-85148714246136542392008-03-19T23:24:00.000-05:002008-03-19T23:24:00.000-05:00Jesus died for the elect and the ones that take it. Jesus is not going to save the ones that do not take his grace and mercy he is going to take the gift he offered and give it to them that take it.<BR/><BR/>Jesus is a caller and gave all for you to get saved. HRE CALLS HE ENABLED.<BR/><BR/>gRACE COSTS jESUS ALL HE WAS AND DEATHshadmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15082699769545767281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-58139856793630539052008-03-19T22:32:00.001-05:002008-03-19T22:32:00.001-05:00Oh, if my ass showing bothers you, think of it as though I said donkey.<BR/>Same thing. ;)Rolandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02669050528894458315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-28939429921218366162008-03-19T22:32:00.000-05:002008-03-19T22:32:00.000-05:00Seymore/Linda,<BR/><BR/>I don't think anyone really thinks you are arrogant. And I do think that we all believe you mean well. The "amusing" (if that's what you can call it - sad more like) part is how misguided you are. And what's worse, you just can't see it.<BR/><BR/>There is a reason that those who are "young" in the LORD are encouraged to listen to and learn from those who are not "young" in the LORD. By your own words you state you are young, and yet you try to teach those who have been living the faith walk for a very long time. If "arrogant" applies to anything it is to that.Geppyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14771293730233732521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-20614338876344196592008-03-19T22:31:00.000-05:002008-03-19T22:31:00.000-05:00Linda,<BR/>I'm sure that Seymore is sincere.<BR/>So am I.<BR/>He made me laugh, very hard.<BR/>I know you are sincere as well.<BR/>But to be honest, the most sincere One that I know is God.<BR/><BR/>We will be forgiven as we forgive.<BR/>Seymore is in much peril.<BR/>I will pray for him.<BR/><BR/>Did I tell you that I would leave little tracts at peoples houses in hopes they would read them?<BR/>What a pompous, self-rightous ass I was.<BR/>Seriously.<BR/><BR/>It isn't bad to warn people of hell.<BR/>It is bad to be an ass about it, though.Rolandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02669050528894458315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-12410888733057774652008-03-19T22:13:00.000-05:002008-03-19T22:13:00.000-05:00roland - why were you laughing at Seymore's comment? Do you really think he said what he said because he is arrogant? He certaintly did not say it to be popular.<BR/><BR/>After I was saved I had to get my courage up to tell my Catholic mother that unless she repented and trusted in Jesus alone that she was going to hell. I only told her out of love. She is still not saved, and I pray for God to grant her repentance and faith everyday.<BR/><BR/>None of my comments to you is out of arrogance, eventhough that is how you see it.Lindanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-24844698956718526272008-03-19T20:39:00.000-05:002008-03-19T20:39:00.000-05:00Come on Seymore. <BR/>I'm failing to see how telling someone you love them and then proceeding to insult them is ever a good idea. <BR/><BR/>Roland, you can mark Seymore's example up there with the folks at Westboro "Baptist" as examples of bad evangelism. <BR/><BR/>Seymore, please take this as constructive criticism. I am not insulting you.Timmhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02759512499765824995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21562157.post-87372962118041760422008-03-19T20:22:00.000-05:002008-03-19T20:22:00.000-05:00Roland,<BR/><BR/>You're AWESOME!!! Great sense of humor!Key West Butterfly Girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05886704995508026035noreply@blogger.com