Monday, January 21, 2008

Freedom (part 1) just another word for nothing left to lose.

Freedom is something that we all seem to want. And yet, a lot of people want to restrict that right in others.
Whether its the freedom to dance, worship, listen to music, talk about something, or just rest. Someone has an opinion on how you should use your freedom.
The people that are most upset with freedom that people have are those who are afraid of losing something. Losing power. Whether that power is over a group of people or over just oneself.
There was this guy I heard about, who gave up everything. He still had power, but he freely gave it away to those in need. Even when they didn't deserve it.

There are those who really abuse power. That which is freely given to them.
If you have ever been told that your inability to give your freedom to another is sinful or selfish, you might just understand what I'm trying to convey.
Those with real power, power they will give to you, are hard to find. They understand power given freely away is a gift. No strings attached.
Jesus did that a lot. Gave away everything. Didn't have a house. Didn't own "Sabbath church clothes" that were 'better' than his regular garb. Healed others. And though he might have given advice on occasion, he didn't force the matter. He was free. And he offers this freedom to everyone who wants to live and grow in this way.

When someone in authority beats down your rights, because you question their motives, they just don't understand what it is to be free. Pray for them. They need it. Give them freedom to do as they wish with their power, and use your freedom to do what you need to do.
If you are in a church where your freedom is being taken away, and you are told you are disobedient when you question something, you might want to find a different place to be. That isn't saying 'throw out all the rules'. Rules are guidelines to help us ensure that everyone has freedom. But when we use guidelines to do something they weren't intended to do (which is guide) and instead use them like a stick or club to force someone to 'do what is right', we have turned down the wrong fork in the road and need to turn around.

Take a minute when you get time and look to see what Jesus did. You don't have to. It's just a suggestion. You are free to do it if you wish.

Jesus came to set us free. And if he has set you free...
You are free. Free indeed.


Hasemörder Kønig said...

Freedom is meaningless without oppression. Jesus freed us from the Jews, nothing more. He didn't free me from anything because I was born without sin and don't fear the afterdeath. But now, unfortunitly, it's his blood that oppresses.

Hasemörder Kønig said...

The truly oppresses are those whom don't even recognize the choices presented to them.

j razz said...

On what basis can you make such a claim as "Jesus freed us from the Jews, nothing more".

Let's follow this line of thinking for just a minute.

Jesus came during the time of Roman rule. Rome conquered Israel and it was a province of Rome. The Jews had no control at that point in time. You can see this by the fact that when Jesus was brought before the Sanhedrin, they could not put him to death as the death penalty was only a function of Rome and they forbid Israel from doing such an act. So, the Jews had to bring Him before the Roman official to see if death would be allowed based on their charges.

Therefore, Israel was not sovereign and the Jews were subject to another rule.

If you want to take this on another bent, Jesus Himself was a Jew. He freed us (Jews and Gentiles alike) from His own kind? I fail to see how your statement makes any sense. Would you care to back up your claim with some historical substance? As it is, your statement does not stand and b/c your premise holds no merit, your conclusion equally holds no merit.

I would go on but I will await your response.

j razz

Timm said...

That is interesting Konig. I'm interested in your response as well.

Roland said...

J Razz and Timm.
Konig (and I'm sure you'll agree, Konig) is very mad at the idea of God.
To be honest, I've never heard why. I'm sure there's reasons. We all have them. But let's look at this:
Freedom is meaningless without oppression.
Freedom is more glaringly obvious when oppression exists, but it doesn't NEED oppression to exist. It still has meaning. It may not be as meaningful when there is no oppression to compare it to, but it is still meaningful.
And without going into a twisted ramble, I know Konig won't be able to answer J Razz's question.
*chuckle* I would like to see you try though. I always appreciate the way you think. It makes me look twice at what I'm thinking. And that is a good thing.

Eaglewood said...

I see our friend is back.

I agree the he would have a hard time answering j razz's question.

"Konig (and I'm sure you'll agree, Konig) is very mad at the idea of God.
To be honest, I've never heard why. I'm sure there's reasons. We all have them."

I am kind of surprised you don't know. He did explain it in offhand way. Too much to go into here, but he did grow up Catholic.

Roland said...

Eaglewood. The Catholic church may be the cause, or part of the cause. I don't really know.
It's too simplistic an answer.
It would be like me blaming all my problems on the Baptists.
Freedom is something that you can't do yourself.
The humbling thing is that it has to be done for you.
There isn't a dog running around with keys or keys hanging on a far wall that you can reach with a stick and chewing gum.
And I do like Konig's comment:
The truly oppressed are those who don't even recognize the choices presented to them.
It's hard to believe in what you don't see. Yet people believe in evolution all the time. Hasn't been seen.
People believe in God. I haven't seen Him in the flesh, but I trust in the word of those who have. ;)
Does that mean I'm not oppressed in that area, Konig?

MikeT said...

Freedom does need oppression in this life in order for most people to realize what it is. America has lost sight of this in general with the way that we frequently implement policies that are anathema to freedom, yet we don't even often realize what we are doing until it is already done.

In a sinless world, freedom can stand on its own and be appreciated, but I remain unconvinced that it will not be just taken for granted in a fallen world. Rousseau got it partly right (but he probably didn't know why) when he said "man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains." Too bad for him, he didn't add the final piece to that thought "of his own making."

eaglewood said...

The Catholic thing had more to do with specific events within the Church that he was harmed by. I was trying to say something without actually coming out and saying it as it would be harmful to our friend if I did not have my facts straight, not as a general indictment on the Catholic Church.

I was hoping that maybe you would get the gist.

Wonder Woman said...

Lovely feelings I've recieved from reading your post, thank you :)

As for the on going conversation - too deep for this gal, indeed :)

pastorbrianculver said...

I get what you are saying eaglewood. It wouldn't be the first time it happened (unfortunately)

The blood of Jesus is a constant reminder that we are sinners in need of a Savior!

Anonymous said...

Jesus came to set us free from the power of sin (the oppression of Satan). Every human is in bondage to sin (original sin), after they repent and place their trust in Jesus they are empowered to live for Christ by the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Unfortunately most people said a "sinner's prayer" thinking they were saved, but in reality they never were saved - they are still enslaved to sin.

In Christ,