Wednesday, January 02, 2008

Christian/Christ-follower

18 comments:

Timm said...

Christian, Christ Follower... They are the same thing. I'm pretty sure I disagree with this whole movement. Just because the world doesn't understand what a "Christian" truly is doesn't mean that we should change our name. Wouldn't a better approach be to educate them on what a Christian is, rather than promote a negitive stigma that already exsists.

Furthermore, isn't this commecerial driveing a wedge into the body of Christ?

Roland said...

That may be true, Timm.
But it does accentuate a point.

What is a follower of Christ/Christian really supposed to be about?

Timm said...

A follower of Christ/Christian is supposed to be about glorifying God. For some, (myself included,) part of that is showing God the respect of putting on nice clothes on Sunday morning. For others that's not necessary. I believe that if the Bible does not specifically address the issue, it should be left up to the individuals conscience. Mine tells me to put on a suit and tie for church service and I don't believe I should be faulted for that, just as I would not fault you if you choose not to dress up.

Is this flawed logic?

Roland said...

No Timm, it is not. The problem comes when everyone thinks we all have to wear ties. Or not wear ties. Dressing up is an individual choice. Putting the offering envelope in the front pocket on display is too. But you don't seem like a guy that would do that. I'm not trying to divide. Just noting some differences in how we approach things.

Timm said...

I don't mean to say that I think you are trying to divide, I just don't like the video. It does nothing more than furthor promote a negative stigma that we as Christians should be work to educate against. Calling ourselves Christ Followers, rather than Christians is not going to solve anything. People will still persecute us in the same ways. I think we both know that.

Roland said...

True. True.
Some Christians are tired of being lumped in with those who use the title without really having been given it. I've been in a church that upon further reflection causes me to question the reasons they are there. They where the ties and suits. They say you don't have to, but peer pressure will eventually fix you of that. It did for me. And as you try to conform, you start to chafe more and more, and finally realize it is more about the rules than about Christ.
And when you ask questions, you are 'disobedient'
Not cool.
You are not like that Timm.
And I can see your frustration.
I agree with you. We should be together, but when someone is doing something different they are reviled and end up returning it. Not good either way.

Wonder Woman said...

What is a follower of Christ/Christian really supposed to be about?

Gracious and Kind!

WW :)

Verne said...

My opinion on this issue is you should wear your best to church. In my case I dress in what is considered business casual. So when I go to church I wear a tie and jacket. For a coal miner my dress work would be wearing better than his work clothes. This is just my opinion.

Wonder Woman said...

Hmmm, Jesus wore brand name suits, pressed shirts with spiffy ties in our Father's house of prayer?

Wow, I missed something.

BIG.

La, la, la...

WW :)

Geppy said...

Something to think about, and no criticism is meant. Take the dress up or not argument. Either is ok - as long as you believe it to be so (at least I think dress falls in that category).

But then I also feel as if I should not be in a church if I go dress casual and every other male is wearing a suit. The problem is in my head, but then the third side that Paul speaks of occurs. I now feel that I am sinning because every other man is in a suit. So in their liberty to dress up I am made to sin by not dressing up.

I know, oh weak and foolish man that I am. My liberty says I'm fine, but my upbringing screams "sinner." Isn't it interesting how the Law of grace can even make sin abound? Or is there really any difference between the Law of Moses and the Law of grace - as God doesn't change...?

Craig said...

I find the use of sarcasm by the "Christ follower" interesting. Not to mention the person who made the video who obviously would consider him/her self a "Christ follower".

I think Geppy has a point. It is in a person's head. What is the difference between purposely going dressed up or purposely going casual? To me dressing up is just a way to show respect. I would also claim some dress very casual just to see what reaction they will receive.

I am with Timm and strongly disagree with this video.

McQ said...

Who cares? Who cares how people percieve Christians, and what we want to call ourselves? Why should we take into consideration how non-Christians view Christians, or how fellow-Christians percieve us in Church? Only God knows what is in our hearts, right? Being a Christian is about your belief. You believe Jesus is God, and was not created. You believe He died for our sins, and that He is our only chance at savlation, and we are lost without him and dead in our sins.

People see somebody do something "good" and they might say, "wow, that was a really Christian thing to do". What if that person has rejected Christ in his heart, but is charitable? I don't believe Christians are defined by their acts, or how they dress, or any of that. Rather, becoming a Christian leads us to do things that glorify God.

McQ said...

Oops, sorry to double post. Christians have, of course, accepted Christ's gift of salvation. Thanks!

Timm said...

Like it or not, McQ, we do need to care what people think of us. We are the representation of Christ to an unbelieving world. If we reflect Him poorly, that's trouble.

Roland said...

Timm, McQ is getting to the heart of the matter.
Which is more important, how we are perceived, or what we actually do?

Timm said...

I think they are both very important. But more important still is what's in our hearts. Is that even what we're talking about?

Roland said...

That's kind of why I pu this up in the first place, Timm.

Notice how the "christian" has his offering envelope in the front right pocket. A badge of honor, maybe? Or possibly a way to get attention that he gives money? Either way, dress as God would have you dress. And I never liked suit and ties anyway. I have trouble picturing Jesus preaching in a suit and tie, spitting into mud and putting it on the eyes of a blind man while wearing a tie, relaxing in the homes of his friends in a suit and tie. Maybe He would. But He dressed for the occasion. Nicely? Yes. Above and beyond? No.
But that is just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

"Christian" or "Christ-follower" should mean the same, but really it is not what you call yourself but what Jesus will say to you that is important in the final day of judgement. Will you be one of the many people deceived thinking they are on the road to heaven, when in reality they are on the broad road to hell. Will Jesus say to you "I never knew you; depart from me, you who practice lawlessness!' Matthew 7:23